Wednesday 2 March 2011

Does that make them cool by association?

A while ago in my post on Punk I posted this video clip


Which is by Terry Jacks, as it says. I posted it because it was the highest selling song of that period where music was all a bit strange. Punk was about to break, and the hippy age was definitely dead. The main players where either dead or so lost in drugs that they weren't really doing anything that good.

i looked it up a bit subsequently, and it seems it was one of Kurt Cobain favorite songs.Now Kurt Cobain was cool. More than a little messed up, and committing suicide when you have a young kid is selfish. None-the-less he was cool. So he if he liked that song does that make the song cool? Does it make Terry Jacks cool?

Here is the Kurt Cobain version


So does that mean because someone cool covered a song it makes the original cool?

There is actually a huge amount of this. Lots of people , cool people cover songs from bands or people that are perhaps considered not so cool. Not that I can pretend to understand what is cool. I mean it is completely subjective.

But hey,that said, my place, my rules, Sonic Youth are cool. End of it. Here is the mighty Kool Thing, with Chuck -D , another cool person


So Sonic youth are massive fans of The Carpenters , I know, The Carpenters. So much so that when a Carpenters tribute album was touted, they were one of the main instigators of getting everyone involved.

Off the same album as Kool Thing they did Tunic song for Karen. Listen to some of the lyrics in this.

That is a great song about a very messed up subject. Girls eat for god's sake eat. Size zero makes you look like boys, no one wants that.

Here is there song on the tribute album, Which is a little messed up also





None the less, it brings their cool to The Carpenters. OK, now brace yourself. This is actually a good album. I realise I am talking about The Carpenters here, but it has Grant lee Buffalo, Cracker, to name but two of my favourite lost bands. It also has the mighty Shonen Knife on it. Just for fun here is their song


Who knew three secretaries from Osaka could be so cool? Check out some of their other videos. That is pop punk at it's finest.

Is anyone else creeped out a bit by the Carpenters? I have watched some of their videos writing this, that is a very strange dynamic.

Back to the point. There are so many versions of covers that seem to change the meaning of the song. For example the cover of Hurt by Johnny Cash. It is a Nine Inch Nails song about heroin addiction, but watch this and ask yourself are you thinking about a heroin junkie?


Now, that is an amazing song, made much more cool by association with Mr Cash. Most people who like that song are not really going to be into NIN. Not that NIN are not cool. Frankly they are, in a downward spiral kind of way . .boom boom.

One more that i have always found a little strange. Kate Bush and Peter Gabriel did Running up that Hill, Placebo did a cover. Now i am a big fan of Placebo. But I am not sure if they make this song and the writers cool by association, or it is just completely warped into something so different.


Is that cool? It is certainly what i would describe as strung out. A person at the edge of something a little bit worrying. The film clip is cool though.

It interestingly doesn't work the other way. You can not become cool by covering something done previously by someone who was cool. Boy bands , teen idol or Pop idol or whatever it is called please take note. Just because it was a great song done by cool people doesn't mean you can leach off some of that cool. In fact quite the bloody opposite. You ruin the original for all of us.


Sorry, I never liked those guys. I tell you what's up kids, your music was not cool enough to cover Zeppelin.

So does it make the original people cool by association? Well yes I think it does in a certain way. I am not saying that Terry Jacks is cool. No, but actually when the music is given new life by someone who is able to see something in it then it does make the original people that much cooler. because they wrote it. That is the beauty of music really isn't it.

4 comments:

  1. To answer your question - I think liking Seasons in the Sun makes Cobain that much cooler, not the other way around! That song was amazing when it came out and has a teleporting magical effect even now, love it :)

    Oh and on another completely different note : Did you know this???

    http://perezhilton.com/2011-03-03-william-shatner-doing-metal-album

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  2. I think that is a very interesting point. Does it make the artist covering the orginial becvause their music taste is clearly a little more than we expected? I think you might be right. Maybe by liking that song Kurt becomes a little more accesable?

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  3. Malcolm McLaren was very upset when John Lydon went on a radio show to play music that he liked and included stuff like Can, Hawkwind, Lee Perry etc... According to Malcolm, this simply was not cool. He thought Lydon was guilty of being 'pretentious'. It doesn't fit with the image! What Image?
    I guess that's why McLaren portrayed Lydon as 'The Collaborator' or the 'Rod Stewart' of the band in "The Great Rock And Roll Swindle". "Oh. he's gone over to the other side." Malcolm's sense of coolness was threatened by Lydon's music preferences. But I think Lydon's cool factor was raised because he didn't actually even like Punk Rock. "WHO KILLED BAMBI!??"

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  4. I have always held a little distain in my heart for Malcolm McLaren. I think he ruined the Sex Pistols, Destroyed The NEw York Dolls and was just generally a leach who for some very strange reason found himself in the right place at the right time. If the Pistols had not embarked on that tour of the US, going to hick town after hick town to make an impact and shock people they may have just survived, maybe they would have also got a person who could play bass back in the line up. McLaren was only ever interested in making headlines and causing a stir. dislike is not a strong enough word for him . . John Lydon is cool, although in a very holier than thou tpye of way. he is cool because of PiL though. The departure to that was basically the real beggining of electronica.

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